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US Patent No. 2010/0251120 (filed 2009-03-26, USPTO link) seems basically to be "using a URL to link to a given part of a video". The key claim is:

A method comprising:

  • receiving from a first user interface a first input from a first user specifying a first particular instant in a video other than a beginning of the video;
  • in response to the first input, generating by one or more computer systems first data for inclusion in a link to the video, the first data representing the first particular instant in the video and being operable automatically to direct playback of the video at a second user interface to start at the first particular instant in the video in response to a second user selecting the link at the second user interface;
  • and communicating the first data to a link generator for inclusion in the link to the video

or in human speak, something to generate links like blah#t=43s

(plus later, claim 12, that must then be processed by the system, and a lot of minor dependent claims about all of the above, etc)

However, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly non-obvious about this, given that URLs are designed to convey context about a resource. Conveying time as part of a URL does not seem any kind of invention. Can anyone think of prior art for this? Perhaps for audio, if video is elusive?

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There have been plugins such as jQuery.Address and SWFAddress which perform similar functionality but I don't know how long YouTube has had this functionality, or how long jQuery Address has been around (first blog post - asual.com/blog - is from before the patent filing date and even discuss YouTube's API changes), but at the very least, the base functionality for allowing users to perform this has been around for quite some time. – Dan Atkinson Oct 3 '12 at 13:03
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It's amusing how you first described the method in natural language, and then claimed that a URL encoding is "human speak" :D – Erik Burigo Oct 4 '12 at 9:15
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@ErikBurigo I'm grading on a geek-curve here ;p – Marc Gravell Oct 4 '12 at 9:34
If a place exists where grading so, it woudl be here. :D – Erik Burigo Oct 4 '12 at 10:43

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I'm no expert, and I'm not sure if this qualifies, but the following draft specification appears to define "temporal URI fragments" in a generic way that covers the above clauses. It was published in 2005, there are probably older variants.

Extract from the abstract:

Temporal addressing enables, e.g., direct access to a clip inside a video stored on a Web Server, or direct jumps to a specific event within a piece of music. The syntax is not restricted to audio or video Web resources though, but covers all kinds of Web resources that contain time-continuous information.

http://annodex.net/TR/draft-pfeiffer-temporal-fragments-03.html

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Now that is a pretty convincing piece of prior art. It certainly shows that there is nothing particularly original in the claims. – Marc Gravell Oct 3 '12 at 18:47
Okay, who wants to submit this: meta.patents.stackexchange.com/questions/105/… – Jaydles Oct 4 '12 at 13:38

Google published this patent application on on September 30th, 2010. But YouTube (owned by Google) announced the ability to link to timestamps in videos in October, 2008 — Link To The Best Parts In Your Videos.

Wouldn't that invalidate their patent on that basis?

Reference: USPTO.GOV: 35 U.S.C. 102 Conditions for patentability …

A person shall be entitled to a patent unless —

(b) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country, more than one year prior to the date of application for patent in the United States.

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Thanks Robert - great answer. I wonder what the official definition of "printed publication" is - any idea? – Marc Gravell Oct 3 '12 at 16:51
@MarcGravell The actual USPTO regulation also includes "public use" in that restriction, so I updated the post. That link includes the legal definition "public use", but in a cursory reading, it seems to apply. – Robert Cartaino Oct 3 '12 at 17:13

I thought that the html spec dealt with these as 'fragments' and has been in there for a while:

From the 1st link:

For a music object, the Fragment ID could give a section in time

The second link reads (2.1.1 Introduction to URIs):

Every resource available on the Web -- HTML document, image, video clip, program, etc. -- has an address that may be encoded by a Universal Resource Identifier, or "URI".

and a bit further below (2.1.2 Fragment identifiers):

Some URIs refer to a location within a resource

I would think a temporal location is within that scope.

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Google published this patent application on on September 30th, 2010. But YouTube (owned by Google) announced the ability to link to timestamps in videos in October, 2008 — Link To The Best Parts In Your Videos.

Wouldn't that invalidate their patent on that basis?

No - the application was filed on March 26, 2009. So a "public use" in October, 2008 would not be "more than one year prior to the date of the application for patent."

Also, keep in mind that this is a just a published application and this is the broadest claim the applicant originally submitted (standard practice - cast a wide net and let the examiner tell you where you have to trim). The fact that it was published has no bearing on its patentability. In fact, I took a quick look on PAIR, just out of curiosity, and this application was published before the examiner had even begun the examination process.

The claims have gone through the typical process of rejection, amendment, final rejection, amendment after final/request for continued examination. Currently, all claims of the application have been "finally" rejected and the current version of the broadest independent claim, as amended after the final rejection, is considerably more limited than the version in the application.

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Is this information publicly visible somewhere? – Joel Spolsky Oct 3 '12 at 18:54
Yes, on the Patent Office's Public Patent Application Information Retrieval (PAIR) system. uspto.gov/patents/process/status – Jay Smith-Hill Oct 3 '12 at 18:58
Ah. I can see the status, but is the application as amended after the final rejection published somewhere? I'm new to this :) – Joel Spolsky Oct 3 '12 at 19:02
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Assuming you've gotten into Public Pair, entered the application number and hit Search, it should take you to a tabbed UI screen. The default tab is Application Data, which gives you the basic who/what/where/when information. One of the other tabs is called Image File Wrapper. Click on that and you'll get a list of links to scanned images of all the documents in the application's file history. It's a bit unwieldy to navigate, but its there. – Jay Smith-Hill Oct 3 '12 at 19:25
Thanks! I never would have guessed that. Image wrapper, indeed! – Joel Spolsky Oct 3 '12 at 23:36

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