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LET ME BE VERY SPECIFIC:

Suppose some company - ABC is awarded with a patent, say an Operating System which can access its features through speech recognition. Suppose Another company, XYZ sells an O.S., of course without this feature because they don't want to be sued. But the same company also sells another product, a software with speech recognition that can be used to access all of OS features, but is not shipped with O.S., so customers have to buy it separately. Would that be legal?

If yes, take the case of say Amazon Go. Amazon filed the following patent on such stores: Patent Description

Suppose A company, say ABC makes a product - a shelf that detects the item taken from it, along with the person who did, using image processing. The same company makes a product that does checkout automatically from the above data. And a retailer UVW buys the two products and integrates into his shop.

Will company ABC be sued? Or will the retailer get sued?

If yes, what if two separate companies makes the above product - ABC makes the shelf and XYZ makes the checkout system. Would that be patent infringement?

(Edit: I just checked status of Amazon Go Patent : Appl No : 13928345 - Final Rejection Mailed Appl No : 14495818 - Non Final Action Mailed )

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    This is two separate questions, and I would recommend splitting them up. The former relates I think to induced infringement. The latter relates to the limits on patent rights. Both are interesting questions, but they actually have very little in common (unless I've misinterpreted something).
    – Maca
    Commented Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48
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    Also, I've thought for some time about the former issue, but I think without an example claim it would be impossible to answer convincingly. Could you provide this? A patent relating to an operating system could have any number of different claims, and infringement may well differ for each. Is a claim to "an operating system" or "a method of providing speech recognition in an operating system" or "a computer readable medium having instructions" infringed by the combination of an operating system and software? All of these are interesting, but quite different.
    – Maca
    Commented Jan 6, 2017 at 1:53
  • Actually, I don't have an example relating to an Operating System. I wanted to make my point on Amazon Go clear by making an example
    – user55844
    Commented Jan 6, 2017 at 9:59
  • This requieres some extensive explanations. I won't have timr for that before sunday. Short version is, it depends. In most cases the second product might infringe the patents, if some conditions apply.
    – user18033
    Commented Jan 6, 2017 at 10:33

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Suppose A company, say ABC makes a product - a shelf that detects the item taken from it, along with the person who did, using image processing. The same company makes a product that does checkout automatically from the above data. And a retailer UVW buys the two products and integrates into his shop.

Will company ABC be sued? Or will the retailer get sued?

This has no yes or no answer. It depends on the patents claims.

To stay with your example of the operating system. I'll formulate some claims like you may find them in a patent concerning this invention.

  1. An operating system.

  2. Speech recognition.

  3. Software taking input from speech and outputting access to an operatings service functions.

  4. A system comprising and operating system, speech recognition and software configured to access features of the operating system through the recognized speech.

A good patent attorney will try going for all of those. Number 1 is, of course, not patentable anymore. Number 2 neither. But 3 and 4 might get through.

In this case, anyone selling software that accesses the os functions by speech could get sued from claim 3 directly and from claim 4 the moment this software gets combined with an operating system And as the software does nothing else, it would be directed at infringing a patent and the seller/produces could get sued too.

On the other hand, the claims might be something like

  1. The combination of an os with integrated speech recognition and direct access to features.

No good patent attorney should make a mistake like that [citation needed]. This claim allows you to sell software accessing the os through speech, as you are not fulfilling all limitations of the claim.

To come back to your example, it depends on the exact wording of the claims. Keep in mind that the person formulating those is trying to cover alternatives like the one you describe, so if you look closely, you will probably find that the software does literally infringe the patent. Sometimes claims will say something like "software configured to do this or that" in which case you dn't even have to do it, it just has to be a pssible function of the software.

If yes, what if two separate companies makes the above product - ABC makes the shelf and XYZ makes the checkout system. Would that be patent infringement?

In most cases, yes. Who infringes depends on the wording. If the claim is to software configured to etc then XYZ will probalby infringe the patent. If the claim covers a system with shelf and software, if XYZ sells the software only for that use, that can get them sued too, if this is not the main function, the retailer is the one that can get sued as e combines two not infringing products into one infringing product.

(Edit: I just checked status of Amazon Go Patent : Appl No : 13928345 - Final Rejection Mailed Appl No : 14495818 - Non Final Action Mailed )

Sorry, this means nothing. As long as it hasn't been abandoned, they can still file an RCE (Request for continuued examination) or an appeal and go on with examination.

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